--- Log opened Sun Apr 30 00:00:02 2006
00:01:53 <+dumdumhead> it's a big download to get ALL the branches and tags
00:01:59 <+dumdumhead> a little annoying =)
00:02:13 <+dumdumhead> would take T_Servo all night =b
00:02:32 < T_Servo_II> all night?
00:02:45 <+Bull_[UK]> hehe 147mb so far
00:02:47 < T_Servo_II> try a week :P  svn blows chunks on a modem
00:02:55 >> T_Servo_II is now known as T_Servo
00:03:13 <+Bull_[UK]> I keep having to resume
00:04:14 <+Bull_[UK]> how are the kids? worn out?
00:04:43 < T_Servo> they are playing one of the new games.. I am beat though
00:04:55 <+Bull_[UK]> hehe
00:05:58 < f0urtyfive> T_Servo: did you ever get that katrina poster?
00:06:05 < T_Servo> need to take my grandfather's ring back to the jewler tomorrow though
00:06:08 < T_Servo> yea
00:06:14 < T_Servo> got it a while ago
00:06:38 * T_Servo noticed a hairline crack in the gold this morning :\
00:06:43 <+Bull_[UK]> unlike nowaks opteron
00:06:59 < f0urtyfive> the gold?
00:07:00 < f0urtyfive> oh
00:07:02 < f0urtyfive> lol
00:07:05 < f0urtyfive> talking about something else :P
00:07:13 <+Bull_[UK]> lol
00:07:17 < T_Servo> the ring my grndfather gave me :P
00:07:31 < T_Servo> had it resized and just today noticed it was cracking :\
00:07:42 <+Bull_[UK]> :(
00:08:27 <+Bull_[UK]> ok how many branches are there :P
00:09:00 < sqr> dumdumhead: first short report about globexplorer: lev0tilesize=36deg, levels 0-9 of it seem to be just bluemarble and landsat...
00:09:25 < sqr> the real fun begins at 10th level (after crossing 13km altitude) - tiles with resolution 7.6 m/px, probably satellite images. and levels 14-16 (under 850/420/210m; 0.5-0.1 m/px) are probably aerials.
00:09:46 < sqr> (info based on observing paris and prague. but it will surely be strongly location-dependant)
00:10:21 <+dumdumhead> this is supposedly only a small portion of their entire database =b
00:10:34 < nelson> I was just in prague ... sort-of.
00:10:43 <+Bull_[UK]> must be a huge database
00:10:44 < nelson> Flew through it on the way to Zagreb.
00:11:25 < T_Servo> dumdumhead: A week late for the usgs.. but I have a crustal thickness add-on now
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00:11:51 <+dumdumhead> cool
00:11:55 <+Bull_[UK]> should have taken your gps and camera nelson ;)
00:12:26 < T_Servo> still can get this coral reef watch imagery to lign up 100% though :\
00:12:39 < T_Servo> AFK
00:12:39 <+Bull_[UK]> :(
00:13:02 < sqr> ...the tiles do not match well on edges (probably imperfect wms), and the picture shakes, as i've mentioned...
00:13:53 <+Bull_[UK]> yeah some levels dont line up with lower levels perfectly
00:14:17 < sqr> this is in-the-same-level
00:14:36 < nelson> Bull_[UK]: I did, but it was too hazy to take any worthwhile pictures.
00:14:43 < nelson> haze == bad.
00:14:50 <+Bull_[UK]> yeah
00:15:48 < sqr> is the 'move' float->double planned for 1.5 or already 1.3.5 ?
00:17:52 <+dumdumhead> lots of things are already double-based
00:18:02 <+dumdumhead> the trick is getting it "meshed" well with the graphics api
00:19:07 <+dumdumhead> this is a high priority item though, so we'll see if we can't get something better for 1.3.5
00:24:53 <+Bull_[UK]> seems faster
00:25:22 <+dumdumhead> should be, the mesh has a lower density than 1.3.4
00:27:42 <+Bull_[UK]> ahh, seem to be seeing a lot of struts at the moment, they dont quite look the same as they used to
00:29:40 <+Bull_[UK]> http://www.twobeds.com/nasa/bull/strutty.jpg
00:31:19 < nelson> YEEKS!
00:31:43 < nelson> Looks like a painting order problem.
00:31:54 <+dumdumhead> ewww
00:32:00 <+dumdumhead> got a link to that?
00:32:14 <+dumdumhead> if u have punt installed, i'd be curious if they have the same problem there
00:32:25 <+Bull_[UK]> no punt
00:32:29 <+Bull_[UK]> worldwind://goto/world=Earth&lat=40.94015&lon=-73.77528&alt=1563&dir=13.5
00:32:43 <+Bull_[UK]> zoomit layer
00:33:01 < sqr> ddh: i'm afraid that serious inspection of globexplorer's coverage could last hundreds of hours, so you'd rather ask those guys to write few lines about it theirselves. and then just copy-paste it to wiki.
00:33:17 <+dumdumhead> hehe,yup
00:33:38 <+Bull_[UK]> ---------------------------
00:33:38 <+Bull_[UK]> An error has occurred
00:33:38 <+Bull_[UK]> ---------------------------
00:33:38 <+Bull_[UK]> Error in the application.
00:33:38 <+Bull_[UK]> ---------------------------
00:33:39 <+Bull_[UK]> OK
00:33:41 <+Bull_[UK]> ---------------------------
00:33:43 <+Bull_[UK]> ooo
00:34:12 <+dumdumhead> no struts here
00:34:20 <+dumdumhead> hm...
00:34:28 <+dumdumhead> let me commit what i have exactly
00:34:35 <+dumdumhead> i've been modifying the code for awhile
00:34:51 <+Bull_[UK]> k
00:35:15 <+dumdumhead> committed
00:36:02 <+Bull_[UK]> hehe I'm still pulling down the other branches
00:38:13 <+dumdumhead> the worldwind camera seems more steady than the punt camera
00:38:36 <+dumdumhead> so combined with the punt terrain code (which gets rid of the waves), things look better
00:39:09 <+Bull_[UK]> cool
00:39:19 <+dumdumhead> the worldwind camera isn't A TON more steady, but for me at least, noticeably more
00:39:44 <+dumdumhead> technically, punt used the same technique to get rid of the terrain waves as we used, it's just their's actually works at the moment =b
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00:41:06 < sqr> btw, regarding tilting: why the fixed point is the-one-on-the-ground and not the-camera-itself?
00:41:57 <+Bull_[UK]> Error in the application.
00:41:57 <+Bull_[UK]> at WorldWind.WorldWindow.Render() in
00:43:00 <+Bull_[UK]> its not liking something
00:43:57 < nht> sqr I peeked at the code the other day to see if there were a quick fix.  Its written that way presumably so you never lose the planet you're looking at.
00:44:15 <+dumdumhead> sqr: for lower zoom levels (high altitude), the rotate around lookat camera is easier to understand, but i can understand for close to ground situations, a FPS camera is needed.  i probably will add that soon
00:44:33 <+Bull_[UK]> punt has an 'fps' type mode
00:44:33 < nht> ddh that would be nice even at high alts
00:45:12 <+dumdumhead> it's the simpliest type of camera to code =b
00:45:18 <+dumdumhead> (the FPS one that is)
00:45:26 < nht> heh...
00:45:31 < sqr> fps=?
00:45:37 < nht> first person shooter
00:45:50 < sqr> i'm not gamer :)
00:46:18 < sqr> i'd call it flight-sim camera
00:48:33 <+Bull_[UK]> http://www.twobeds.com/nasa/bull/hmmmm.jpg
00:48:41 <+Bull_[UK]> no struts...
00:49:25 <+Bull_[UK]> and it was hammering wwc with 404 requests
00:50:14 < sqr> then you should apologize to 45+nowak :)
00:50:23 <+Bull_[UK]> hehe
00:50:37 < T_Servo> heh
00:52:37 < sqr> i'll have to apologize to GeX soon, btw........ kazachstan countryside and sk/pl border: no hi-res
00:55:49 <+Bull_[UK]> usgs seems ok, wonder if wwc is playing up
00:58:14 <+Bull_[UK]> why dont the zoomit cache layers appear in the earth directory?
01:01:02 < T_Servo> ok... loading WW... lets hope it doesn;t lock me up this time
01:03:31 <+Bull_[UK]> its like its showing different levels for the same tiles, some parts are low res others high
01:03:42 <+Bull_[UK]> need more testers
01:04:02 < sqr> once again globexp: 400m above prague, 1600m above bratislava and during tilting-attempt near eiffel tower's tip: colliding with some blue i-dont-know-what.
01:04:22 < sqr> bull: what layer you examine?
01:05:41 <+Bull_[UK]> zoomit over new york
01:06:56 <+Bull_[UK]> seems to be behaving a bit better now, not sure why
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01:10:57 <+Bull_[UK]> ok I'm out
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01:36:09 < f0urtyfive> nht: sent you an email today
01:36:20 < f0urtyfive> or at least I think I did...
01:36:42 < nht> Heh, can't check at the moment...it seems our outlook web access is down.
01:39:01 < f0urtyfive> nowak: http://www.sureproxy.com/server-status
01:39:08 < f0urtyfive> nowak: ever seen that before?
01:41:01 < f0urtyfive> nvm
01:41:20 < f0urtyfive> their was a whole bunch of connections (104) stuck in the handle-req state, for really long times, like several hours
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03:42:08 <+adamhill> remember that in SVN they are just directories, so you can start with any valid path in the inital SVN Checkout
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06:17:57 <+Nowak> zzz
07:04:49 * Nowak is thinking on how to do backups ...
07:08:45 <+Nowak> 150GB for 5$ using DVDs, not that bad :P
07:19:47 <+Nowak> just get 10 DVD burners ($500 total) and loots of cheap DVD-Rs for $4 per 25 :P
07:20:22 <+Nowak> then you can load them up in like 1-2 minutes and burn almost 50GB
07:20:44 <+Nowak> that would be great for storing downloaded / processed data
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10:48:59 < TheBean> http://www.landoverbaptist.org/linklogo.gif :D
10:55:45 <+Nowak> 30TB for $1780.00 (including 10 DVD burners and bad media)
10:55:46 <+Nowak> ;p
10:56:19 < sky_newbie> good sunday
10:56:24 < sky_newbie> to evryone
10:56:25 < sky_newbie> ;D
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10:59:08 <+Nowak> thats 7000 DVDs or 1m x 1m x 0.2m box :P
11:02:24 * Nowak wonders how hard would it be to bould automated dvd library ...
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11:57:44 <+Nowak> tileservice.worldwindcentral.org 69.41.14.32 - - [27/Apr/2006:00:23:02 +0000] "GET /?-1602920 HTTP/1.1" 29 404 "-" "-" "-"
11:57:44 <+Nowak> tileservice.worldwindcentral.org 69.41.14.32 - - [27/Apr/2006:00:23:02 +0000] "GET /?-1602920 HTTP/1.1" 29 404 "-" "-" "-"
11:57:44 <+Nowak> tileservice.worldwindcentral.org 69.41.14.32 - - [27/Apr/2006:00:23:03 +0000] "GET /?-1602920 HTTP/1.1" 29 404 "-" "-" "-"
11:57:49 * Nowak wonders what was that
11:59:54 <+Nowak> or that
11:59:54 <+Nowak> tileservice.worldwindcentral.org 213.175.114.60 - - [26/Apr/2006:10:11:28 +0000] "GET /?T=OnEarthLandsat7Pseudo/0/0072/0072_0104.jpg HTTP/1.1" 29 404 "-" "-"
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12:10:08 <+Nowak> tileservice.worldwindcentral.org 66.55.139.140 - - [27/Apr/2006:00:02:37 +0000] "GET /?T=AerialVis\&L=0\&X=18\&Y=21 HTTP/1.1" 29 404 "-" "World Wind v1.3.1966.20940 (Microsoft Windows NT 5.0.2195.0, en-US)" "-"
12:10:16 <+Nowak> looks like a weird bug :D
12:10:35 <+ShockFire> you mean the backslashes?
12:11:19 <+Nowak> yes
12:12:16 <+Nowak> tileservice.worldwindcentral.org 204.246.129.196 - - [27/Apr/2006:14:42:42 +0000] "GET /%3FT%3DOnEarthLandsat7Pseudo%26L%3D1%26X%3D210%26Y%3D121 HTTP/1.1" 345 404 "-" "Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.5; Windows NT 5.0)" "-"
12:12:33 <+Nowak> another one, but from mozilla ?! :D
12:20:48 <+Nowak> tileservice.worldwindcentral.org 138.23.126.135 - - [25/Apr/2006:19:01:42 +0000] "GET /?T=OnEarthLandsat7Vis&L=6&X=2003&Y=3956/ HTTP/1.1" 0 404 "-" "-" "-"
12:20:56 <+Nowak> at the end :P
12:21:02 <+Nowak> /
12:25:14 <+Nowak> tileservice.worldwindcentral.org 213.91.243.147 - - [10/Apr/2006:09:55:34 +0000] "GET http://tileservice.worldwindcentral.org/?T=OnEarthLandsat7Vis&L=3&X=424&
12:25:14 <+Nowak> Y=523 HTTP/1.1" 35177 200 "-" "World Wind v1.3.2039.24869 (Microsoft Windows NT 5.1.2600.0, bg-BG)" "-"
12:25:22 <+Nowak> ...
12:28:31 <+Nowak> tileservice.worldwindcentral.org 221.67.195.3 - - [18/Apr/2006:13:13:10 +0000] "GET /?T=OnEarthLandsat7Vis&L=5&X=4***&Y=1979 HTTP/1.1" 0 404 "-" "World Wind v
12:28:31 <+Nowak> 1.3.3.29687 (Microsoft Windows NT 5.1.2600.0, ja-JP)" "-"
12:28:36 <+Nowak> 4*** ? :P
12:30:28 <+Nowak> tileservice.worldwindcentral.org 139.191.22.233 - - [18/Apr/2006:13:52:04 +0000] "GET /?T=OnEarthLandsat7Vis&L=0&X=0&Y={40} HTTP/1.1" 4736 200 "-" "Mozilla/5.
12:30:28 <+Nowak> 0 (compatible; Konqueror/3.5; Linux) KHTML/3.5.2 (like Gecko)" "-"
12:30:28 <+Nowak> tileservice.worldwindcentral.org 139.191.22.233 - - [18/Apr/2006:13:52:10 +0000] "GET /?T=OnEarthLandsat7Vis&L=0&X={30}&Y={40} HTTP/1.1" 4736 200 "-" "Mozilla
12:30:28 <+Nowak> /5.0 (compatible; Konqueror/3.5; Linux) KHTML/3.5.2 (like Gecko)" "-"
12:30:28 <+Nowak> tileservice.worldwindcentral.org 139.191.22.233 - - [18/Apr/2006:13:52:15 +0000] "GET /?T=OnEarthLandsat7Vis&L=30&X={30}&Y={40} HTTP/1.1" 0 404 "-" "Mozilla/5
12:30:28 <+Nowak> .0 (compatible; Konqueror/3.5; Linux) KHTML/3.5.2 (like Gecko)" "-"
12:30:28 <+Nowak> tileservice.worldwindcentral.org 139.191.22.233 - - [18/Apr/2006:13:52:21 +0000] "GET /?T=OnEarthLandsat7Vis&L={30}&X={30}&Y={40} HTTP/1.1" 4736 200 "-" "Mozi
12:30:28 <+Nowak> lla/5.0 (compatible; Konqueror/3.5; Linux) KHTML/3.5.2 (like Gecko)" "-"
12:30:46 <+Nowak> someone trying to break something ? :P
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12:58:03 <+Nowak> 65.208.22.25 usflorida20041m.tileservice.worldwindcentral.org - [07/Apr/2006:04:01:51 +0000] "GET /getTile?REQUEST=capabilities&SERVICE=WMS&VERSION=1.1.1 HTTP/1.0" 200 12 "-" "Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; Win32; WinHttp.WinHttpRequest.5)"
12:58:04 <+Nowak> 65.208.22.25 usflorida20041m.tileservice.worldwindcentral.org - [07/Apr/2006:04:01:51 +0000] "GET /getTile?REQUEST=capabilities&SERVICE=WMS&VERSION=1.1.1 HTTP/1.0" 200 12 "-" "Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.01; Windows NT 5.0)"
12:58:16 <+Nowak> hehe, someone though its a wms ? :P
12:59:05 <+Nowak> 61.232.0.2 usmassachusettsmassgis200105m.tileservice.worldwindcentral.org - [24/Apr/2006:10:09:50 +0000] "GET /getTile?T=us.massachusetts_massgis2001_0.5m&version=1&interface=worldwind&firstLevel=5&x=1&y=1&zoom=1 HTTP/1.1" 200 22 "-" "Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1; .NET CLR 1.1.4322; .NET CLR 1.0.3705)"
12:59:10 <+Nowak> zoom=1 ? :P
13:00:29 <+Nowak> 68.101.43.149 usflorida20041m.tileservice.worldwindcentral.org - [27/Apr/2006:22:44:10 +0000] "GET /getTile?request=GetMap&layers=us.florida_2004_1m&srs=EPSG:4326&width=512&height=512&bbox=-75,20,-70,25&format=image/png&version=1.1.1&styles= HTTP/1.1" 200 22 "-" "Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.0; .NET CLR 1.1.4322)"
13:00:32 <+Nowak> another WMSer ;)
13:02:44 < sky_newbie> ;D
13:03:39 < Sqr> today/tomrrow: millenium of a very-big-big space fireworx - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SN_1006 :D
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13:19:10 < forumaddiction> any new addons the last days ?
13:19:54 < T_Servo> I have 2 new ones.. just not uploaded yet
13:20:15 < forumaddiction> happy happy joy joy :)
13:20:29 < T_Servo> lol
13:22:29 < forumaddiction> is the SRTM90 data still usable in 1.3.4 ? I heard that the data has changed..
13:22:41 < forumaddiction> ^^ from worldwinddata.com
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13:25:32 <+Nowak> forumaddiction: http://forum.worldwindcentral.com/ ;p
13:26:35 < Sqr> srtm90: imo, probably yes - if you extract it into proper directory, but it became a bit obsolete
13:30:40 <+Nowak> http://www.worldwindcentral.com/wiki/Weird_TileService_requests
13:30:42 * Nowak is bored
13:30:43 <+Nowak> ;p
13:31:28 < T_Servo> man the forum site is SLOW
13:32:55 <+Nowak> T_Servo: y ?
13:33:08 < T_Servo> took 4 mins to start oading
13:33:13 < T_Servo> loading
13:33:14 <+Nowak> lol
13:33:57 <+Llynix> I'm surprised that's all the wierd requests you get :)
13:34:41 <+Nowak> Maybe i should check wiki / hotspots ? :D
13:34:58 <+Nowak> but that will be a lot more regexps ...
13:37:53 < mashi> how about some new cool client->server protocol (for new or old features)?
13:39:53 <+Nowak> mashi: just use http keep-alives and pipelining
13:40:26 < mashi> we dont?
13:40:42 <+Nowak> keepalives - maybe, pipelining - no way
13:41:01 < mashi> I don't even know what it is.. ;)
13:41:28 <+Nowak> mashi: you send more than one request to the server on same connection
13:41:38 <+Nowak> mashi: without waiting for answer for 1st
13:41:50 <+Nowak> then server sends you all responses in burst
13:43:06 <+Nowak> its just that there is no idle time between request sent and data start arriving
13:43:24 <+Llynix> yeah it's kinda overated
13:44:01 <+Nowak> Llynix: not when you have fast / high delay connection
13:45:14 <+Nowak> Llynix: for example my 4mbit dsl to server in us ... only 50% efficiency
13:46:02 < mashi> is it also possible to cancel one or more of the requests after they are sent?
13:46:18 <+Nowak> and without keepalives ~30% ...
13:48:41 <+Nowak> mashi: i dont think so
13:50:41 <+Nowak> for all - just close the connection
13:54:08 <+Nowak> Opera pipelines by default - and uses heuristics to control the level of pipelining employed depending on the server Opera is connected to
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13:55:40 <+Nowak> imo 2 would be enough in many cases
13:56:08 <+Nowak> or do the math with bandwidth * delay
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13:57:26 <+Nowak> http://www.w3.org/Talks/9704WWW6-WebPerf/slide11.htm
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14:01:37 >> #worldwind JOIN fiveofoh (n=4387eb0a@madmappers.freeearthfoundation.com)
14:02:28 < TheBean> T - made you adminzor
14:03:10 < T_Servo> whee
14:03:31 < T_Servo> interesting: http://www.fuelsaverpills.mybpbiz.com/index.asp?pgid=13
14:08:43 <+Nowak> 15:04:25.313586 IP 83.14.155.195.1591 > 147.28.0.58.80: . ack 85609 win 65535
14:08:43 <+Nowak> 15:04:26.469364 IP 83.14.155.195.1591 > 147.28.0.58.80: P 261:497(236) ack 85609 win 65535
14:08:59 * Nowak wonders why ww waited more that 1 second on sending next request ?
14:09:59 <+Llynix> laf
14:10:16 <+Llynix> I'm gonna sell a product which guarantees better gas milage
14:10:40 >> SignOff: fiveofoh ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") [#worldwind]
14:10:49 <+Llynix> TADA!!! http://www.payless.com/
14:12:42 <+Llynix> also try http://www.huffybikes.com/
14:20:42 >> #worldwind JOIN withak (n=chatzill@cee-zzr0.cee.uiuc.edu)
14:30:08 <+Nowak> oh, and you should increase receiving buffer size
14:30:17 <+Nowak> 64kb is too small :D
14:31:31 >> #worldwind JOIN ShockFir_ (i=ShockFir@d80163.ktwaalre.nl)
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14:31:42 >> ShockFir_ is now known as ShockFire
14:50:01 <+Nowak> http://pastebin.com/690402
14:50:06 <+Nowak> weird email he got
15:04:20 < Sqr> maybe this relates a bit with what you've discussed hour ago:
15:04:34 < Sqr> if i stay on the same place for more than ~~2mins, and then start moving again, ww134 isn't able to reconnect with ...
15:04:59 < Sqr> worldwind25.arc.nasa.gov/wwelevation/ and that leads to endless sequence of red statements "the operation has timed out", repeating every 100secs.
15:05:23 < Sqr> similar was the behavior of several other layers ("mustnot make a stop longer than minute or two!"), when i last tried them with ww1331.
15:05:38 < Sqr> does anyone experience the same?
15:14:12 >> #worldwind JOIN chippy (n=chipp2@82.2.217.63)
15:17:20 <+Llynix> sometimes when I pee I get a chill..
15:17:23 <+Llynix> anyone else get that?
15:20:49 < T_Servo> o.0
15:22:11 < Sqr> redir -> #urology
15:26:57 <+Llynix> :)
15:27:45 < Sqr> glad to help u :)
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16:05:04 < f0urtyfive> T_Servo: lol why would you think thats interesting?
16:05:07 < f0urtyfive> it's retarded
16:07:57 < f0urtyfive> The gas pills have the property of modifying the fuel’s molecular structure and liberating the energy contained within. 
16:08:04 < f0urtyfive> This is achieved by Brownian motion which consists of the molecular movement of the components of the polymeric chains contained in hydrocarbons. 
16:08:11 < f0urtyfive> from wikipedia:
16:08:11 < f0urtyfive> The term Brownian motion (in honor of the botanist Robert Brown) refers to either
16:08:11 < f0urtyfive> The physical phenomenon that minute particles immersed in a fluid move about randomly; or 
16:08:11 < f0urtyfive> The mathematical models used to describe those random movements. 
16:08:29 < f0urtyfive> So basically, it makes the molecules of gas move randomly?
16:09:08 < f0urtyfive> "Because the gas pills are a catalyst, they are capable of speeding or retarding a chemical reaction, without breaking down or changing the chemical reaction and producing a transformation which modifies the molecules. The result is the liberation of the total energy contained within. "
16:09:39 < f0urtyfive> Uhhh... but you just said that the "gas pills" work by "modifying the fuel's molecular structure", which would change the chemical reaction...
16:09:43 < f0urtyfive> lol
16:09:58 >> SignOff: sky_newbie (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) [#worldwind]
16:11:21 < f0urtyfive> "The gas pills have the property of modifying the physical state of these fuels, accelerating the breaking of molecular connections."
16:11:34 < f0urtyfive> Wouldnt breaking down molecular connections turn your tank of gas into a tank of goop?
16:15:52 >> sky_newbie_ is now known as sky_newbie
16:29:11 >> #worldwind JOIN spatial (n=cf514ffe@madmappers.freeearthfoundation.com)
16:29:40 < _adam_gfx> i would just go with the tried and true - "Blue pills make your tank 33% larger"
16:40:53 >> #worldwind JOIN sky_newbie_ (n=chatzill@adsl-197-90.37-151.net24.it)
16:41:38 * TheBean slaps self
16:41:38 < TheBean> ]# www
16:41:38 < TheBean> -bash: www: command not found
16:41:40 < TheBean> :D
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16:55:36 < f0urtyfive> lol
16:55:43 < f0urtyfive> _adam_gfx: lol
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17:01:51 >> Bull_[Zzz] is now known as Bull_[UK]
17:03:25 <+nosilleg> Bull_[UK]: What's up with the forums?
17:03:50 <+Bull_[UK]> the nasa one was hacked
17:04:06 <+Bull_[UK]> we are taking it over
17:04:37 <+Bull_[UK]> beanie is getting the old db off chris
17:14:52 <+adamhill> vBulletin is already setup and ready to go
17:17:00 < sky_newbie_> can i see
17:17:04 < sky_newbie_> link of forum?
17:17:17 < sky_newbie_> adam is vbullettin original?
17:17:18 <+Bull_[UK]> http://forum.worldwindcentral.com/
17:17:32 < sky_newbie_> because if it's cracked they contact you
17:17:39 < sky_newbie_> in few weeks
17:17:41 < sky_newbie_> :(
17:18:16 <+adamhill> f0urtyfive got the extortive $30US they wanted!!! :)
17:18:17 < sky_newbie_> i istalled a cracked version
17:19:53 <+Bull_[UK]> grr I hate captchas try 3
17:20:48 < sky_newbie_> registered
17:20:50 < sky_newbie_> ;D
17:21:01 <+Bull_[UK]> ffs try 4
17:21:54 * Llynix hates em too
17:22:06 <+Llynix> they need to make them english proof..
17:22:12 <+Llynix> like l I 1
17:22:28 <+Llynix> and I hate that they are case sensitive
17:22:47 <+nosilleg> Bull_[UK]: Nowak didn't want it to be wwc/forums?
17:22:48 <+Bull_[UK]> at last, I guessed the last character could have been A N M....
17:23:06 <+Llynix> http://www.thepcspy.com/articles/security/the_cutest_humantest_kittenauth
17:23:10 <+Llynix> that's what we need more of :)
17:23:27 <+Bull_[UK]> nosilleg - dunno, 45 set it up I think
17:23:53 <+nosilleg> f0urtyfive is going to be slapped by Nowak.
17:24:09 <+Nowak> nosilleg: what did he do ?
17:24:11 >> #worldwind JOIN wwwworldwindcent (n=54b17177@madmappers.freeearthfoundation.com)
17:24:25 >> SignOff: wwwworldwindcent (Client Quit) [#worldwind]
17:24:33 <+nosilleg> Nowak: forum.worldwindcentral.com
17:24:46 <+adamhill> but, there are a finite number of cat photos, so i will hash em and make a database soon :)
17:25:07 <+Nowak> nosilleg: and ?
17:25:22 <+Llynix> http://www.kittenauth.com/ka.php
17:25:36 <+adamhill> yeah, i'd vote for putting at WWC.com/forums
17:25:46 <+nosilleg> Bull_[UK]: Nowak must be scared of f0urtyfive.
17:26:09 <+Nowak> wtf are you talking about ?
17:26:18 <+adamhill> the URL for the forums
17:26:19 <+Nowak> can someone please tell me in one sentence ? :P
17:26:25 <+Nowak> adamhill: what about it ?
17:26:44 * Llynix likes subdomains
17:26:48 <+adamhill> why did you pick forums.wwc instead of wwc/forums
17:26:58 <+adamhill> like wwc/wiki
17:27:06 <+adamhill> etc
17:27:23 <+nosilleg> Nowak: You always complain about having hosts other than www.
17:27:31 <+adamhill> haha
17:27:46 <+Nowak> nosilleg: that was long time ago :P
17:27:54 <+nosilleg> Nowak: gah!
17:27:57 <+Llynix> I've got him brainwashed
17:28:02 <+Bull_[UK]> cant we have both :p
17:28:07 <+adamhill> i vote we at least be consistent
17:28:11 <+Llynix> ---...  you like subdomains ...---
17:28:30 <+nosilleg> Bull_[UK]: Nowak hates redirects more than he hates hosts...
17:28:36 <+Bull_[UK]> ahh
17:28:44 <+Nowak> nosilleg: lol ?
17:28:53 <+Nowak> nosilleg: stop it ! all lies !
17:29:26 <+nosilleg> Bull_[UK]: Nowak has been hacked.  Can you please reformat him.
17:29:36 <+Bull_[UK]> haha
17:30:08 <+nosilleg> Oh....  Wait...
17:30:25 <+Nowak> fine, im going to have fun now, be back probably tomorrow
17:30:32 <+Bull_[UK]> next he will say xp>linux
17:30:32 <+nosilleg> HackedNowak: Can I finally make the changed for the hotspots to support other planets?
17:30:56 <+adamhill> be safe, watch out for the Finn's with the Rocketboots :)
17:31:19 <+Bull_[UK]> cya Nowak
17:32:31 <+nosilleg> :-(
17:33:37 <+Bull_[UK]> nos if you can just do it ;)
17:34:00 <+Bull_[UK]> he can scream at you tomorrow
17:34:15 < f0urtyfive> adamhill: Like wiki.worldwindcentral.com ? :P
17:35:09 < f0urtyfive> lol
17:35:14 < f0urtyfive> you guys are funny
17:35:17 <+adamhill> we have that? i have only seen it as wwc/wiki all over the place, we need to run a sed script over some places
17:35:41 <+adamhill> so why *do* we have both?
17:35:44 < f0urtyfive> http://www.worldwindcentral.com/forum/
17:35:45 < f0urtyfive> magic!
17:35:51 < f0urtyfive> ln -s /home/www/forum.worldwindcentral.com/ forum
17:35:53 <+Bull_[UK]> :)
17:36:24 <+Bull_[UK]> can we pretty up the forums please
17:36:26 <+Bull_[UK]> ;p
17:36:28 < f0urtyfive> lol
17:36:30 <+nosilleg> Bull_[UK]: I want to change the db, but if I did something like that Nowak would remove my access.
17:36:47 <+adamhill> well I knew it was easy, i was just curious why we dont have a unified URL, wouldnt it move up our PR?
17:36:57 < f0urtyfive> nosilleg: dont worry, I have more access than nowak, just dont break anything :P
17:37:05 <+Bull_[UK]> :)
17:37:20 <+Bull_[UK]> go for it nos
17:37:44 < f0urtyfive> adamhill: I dont think we're that concerned with it
17:37:53 < f0urtyfive> dont = didnt
17:37:57 < f0urtyfive> at least im not
17:38:09 <+nosilleg> f0urtyfive: well, when I asked bout it before 1.3.3 was released I had a lot of time.  Now I've only got about 1.5 free hours a day and my GF wants every minute of that.
17:38:11 * Bull_[UK] isnt either
17:38:19 < f0urtyfive> hehe
17:38:30 <+Bull_[UK]> get a new gf
17:38:32 <+Bull_[UK]> ;)
17:38:38 < f0urtyfive> I've noticed, our wiki doesnt look nearly as good
17:38:40 < f0urtyfive> :P
17:38:50 <+Bull_[UK]> pfft
17:38:55 < f0urtyfive> cmon nos, which is more important, wiki, or gf
17:38:58 >> azc|offline is now known as azc
17:38:59 < f0urtyfive> :P
17:39:12 <+nosilleg> f0urtyfive: wiki doesn't feed me.
17:39:18 <+Bull_[UK]> heh
17:39:22 < f0urtyfive> maybe you arent caring for it enough yet :P
17:39:28 <+nosilleg> haha
17:39:30 < f0urtyfive> lol
17:39:47 < f0urtyfive> I'm sure fef could get you some MRE's shipped over
17:39:51 < f0urtyfive> :)
17:39:58 >> #worldwind JOIN T_Servo_II (n=chatzill@205.208.132.167)
17:40:07 <+nosilleg> f0urtyfive: MRE?
17:40:14 < f0urtyfive> nosilleg: Military rations
17:40:23 <+Bull_[UK]> lol
17:40:24 < f0urtyfive> I hear they're fairly vial
17:40:39 < f0urtyfive> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MRE
17:43:29 < f0urtyfive> "Their low dietary fiber content could cause constipation in some so they were also known as "Meals Refusing to Exit". "
17:43:30 <+nosilleg> f0urtyfive: I think I'll stick with the gourmet stuff my GF makes.  Thanks for the offer, tho.  :-p
17:43:31 < f0urtyfive> lol
17:43:46 < f0urtyfive> nos: you still in teh UK now?
17:45:28 <+nosilleg> f0urtyfive: Yeah.  South of London.
17:45:37 < f0urtyfive> fun
17:46:17 <+nosilleg> f0urtyfive: Yeah, only an hour into the city every morning.
17:46:33 < f0urtyfive> hehe
17:47:14 < f0urtyfive> Bull_[UK]: do you have any of the screenshots of ddh's 15m nlt visible?
17:47:39 <+nosilleg> Was there any discussion in here about my DEM idea for SoC?
17:47:55 <+Bull_[UK]> what? never heard of that 45
17:47:55 <+Bull_[UK]> pm
17:48:23 <+nosilleg> f0urtyfive: The one on the wiki?
17:48:30 < f0urtyfive> probably not
17:48:38 < f0urtyfive> oh wait
17:48:39 < f0urtyfive> sorry
17:48:43 < f0urtyfive> didnt read your first statement
17:49:48 < f0urtyfive> nosilleg: I dont see anything about your DEM idea on the wiki
17:49:52 < f0urtyfive> at least not in http://www.worldwindcentral.com/wiki/Summer_of_Code
17:49:59 <+nosilleg> f0urtyfive: http://www.twobeds.com/nasa/bull/landsat-compare.jpg
17:50:07 <+Bull_[UK]> grr
17:50:11 < f0urtyfive> 404 not found
17:50:12 < f0urtyfive> :p
17:50:16 <+Bull_[UK]> ;)
17:50:33 <+nosilleg> f0urtyfive: I sent the an email to the dev list saying I didn't have time to put it on the page, and requested someone else do it.
17:50:44 < f0urtyfive> o
17:50:53 * Bull_[UK] hides
17:51:12 < f0urtyfive> *goes to look in ww-dev
17:51:17 <+nosilleg> Bull_[UK]: what happened to the image?
17:51:42 <+nosilleg> I figured I made a stupid assumption and therefore it wasn't added to the page.
17:51:46 >> #worldwind JOIN withak (n=chatzill@12-203-36-142.client.insightBB.com)
17:51:54 >> SignOff: spatial ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") [#worldwind]
17:52:04 <+Bull_[UK]> it never exsisted, it was all in your imagination
17:56:07 >> SignOff: T_Servo (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) [#worldwind]
17:58:06 < Sqr> 45: maybe you mean this: log of 2005-dec-23, about 23:13
18:00:24 < f0urtyfive> that doesnt help :P
18:00:30 < f0urtyfive> nice try though
18:01:18 < withak> does anyone know why the double-click to zoom stopped working
18:01:24 < withak> it zoom in whether I left- or right-click
18:01:45 <+Bull_[UK]> no idea
18:02:22 >> SignOff: Sqr ("CGI:IRC") [#worldwind]
18:02:34 >> #worldwind JOIN Sqr (n=c3a8f2cb@madmappers.freeearthfoundation.com)
18:04:28 >> #worldwind JOIN dumdumhead (n=8fe8ed02@madmappers.freeearthfoundation.com)
18:04:36 >> Mode #worldwind "+v dumdumhead" by ChanServ
18:07:27 * dumdumhead just realized he should have moved the webserver to the 1U dell instead of the dual-opteron/4GB/1TB Raid server
18:08:34 <+Bull_[UK]> heh
18:08:53 <+Bull_[UK]> http://forum.worldwindcentral.com
18:08:57 <+Bull_[UK]> ;)
18:08:57 <+dumdumhead> plus, the 1U dell has jira and confluence on it
18:09:39 < ShockFire> sure... :P
18:11:13 <+Bull_[UK]> jira whats that?
18:12:42 <+adamhill> heh
18:13:53 <+dumdumhead> http://worldwind21.arc.nasa.gov/jira/
18:13:57 <+dumdumhead> u guys can see that right?
18:14:14 <+dumdumhead> http://worldwind21.arc.nasa.gov/confluence/homepage.action
18:14:16 <+dumdumhead> and that?
18:14:21 <+nosilleg> dumdumhead: yep to #1
18:14:35 <+nosilleg> dumdumhead: and #2
18:14:54 <+dumdumhead> http://worldwind21.arc.nasa.gov/confluence/
18:15:30 <+dumdumhead> hm...actually, the 1U only has a 34GB harddrive, so it's probably not enough
18:16:08 <+Bull_[UK]> hmm, what was my user/pass
18:16:08 <+dumdumhead> and i should have made the worldwind.arc.nasa.gov server a 500GB raid-1 instead of a 1 TB raid-0
18:17:03 <+dumdumhead> Bull_[UK]: u never had one
18:17:08 * dumdumhead just checked the admin panel
18:17:25 <+Bull_[UK]> hehe that explains it
18:18:57 <+dumdumhead> interesting
18:19:06 <+dumdumhead> the license says that it only supports 200 users
18:19:21 <+Bull_[UK]> hmm not many
18:19:26 <+dumdumhead> "Non-profit/Open Source"
18:20:40 <+Bull_[UK]> I guess we'll never have 200 devs though
18:20:42 <+Bull_[UK]> ;p
18:21:03 <+dumdumhead> i'm expecting more than 200 "contributers" to our confluence though
18:21:07 <+dumdumhead> =)
18:21:19 <+dumdumhead> we'll be using it a lot for many different projects
18:21:37 >> nosilleg is now known as nosilleg_away
18:21:42 <+dumdumhead> one reasons is the permissions that are built in, like sensitive areas can be protected
18:22:47 >> withak is now known as withak_afk
18:23:42 <+Bull_[UK]> yeah
18:24:51 * Bull_[UK] looks at forum rank 'junior member'
18:25:05 * Bull_[UK] hits TheBean in the head with a sledge hammer and then hands TheBean an Aspirin!
18:25:21 <+adamhill> dumdum: i can be a CF admin if you need help, i am adminning our Confluence server at work
18:26:04 <+dumdumhead> adamhill: thanks, i'll probably need help since i don't really know much about it yet
18:26:14 * dumdumhead can't login to JIRA
18:26:20 <+dumdumhead> wrong password
18:26:59 * Bull_[UK] is staring at the confluence page in total confusion
18:27:11 < f0urtyfive> doh lol
18:27:18 < f0urtyfive> syslog is rotating its log files
18:27:22 < f0urtyfive> but it isnt sighupping
18:27:27 < f0urtyfive> so it just keeps writing to the old log files :P
18:27:35 <+Bull_[UK]> :/
18:27:43 <+dumdumhead> hm... jira didn't have a number of users restriction
18:27:49 <+dumdumhead> what gives with confluence?
18:27:58 < f0urtyfive> I dont think jira did
18:28:02 < f0urtyfive> it was a non-profit license
18:28:21 <+Bull_[UK]> so is confluence
18:29:22 <+adamhill> that is how CF is licensed, per user, unlimited is 8K for commerical licenses
18:29:26 < f0urtyfive> hehehehehehe
18:29:31 < f0urtyfive> Non-Profit licenses are designed for organisations which are:
18:29:31 < f0urtyfive> non-profit, 
18:29:31 < f0urtyfive> non-government, 
18:29:31 < f0urtyfive> non-academic and 
18:29:31 < f0urtyfive> non-commercial 
18:29:38 * f0urtyfive thinks nlt doesnt qualify for one of those :P
18:29:42 <+Bull_[UK]> oops
18:30:23 <+Bull_[UK]> unlimited is 8k, that makes sense :p
18:30:49 <+dumdumhead> well, it says under license details: "  	 Confluence: Non-Profit / Open Source"
18:31:06 <+adamhill> WW is in a grey area
18:31:51 <+adamhill> but if NLT uses it for internal implementation projects, i would expect Atlassian would want some money
18:31:55 < f0urtyfive> ah
18:31:56 < f0urtyfive> I see
18:32:00 < f0urtyfive> we're an Open Source license
18:32:02 < f0urtyfive> not a non profit one
18:40:50 <+dumdumhead> argh...how do i make it so regular users can see a "space"?
18:43:03 <+Bull_[UK]> ffs never install new codecs in xp
18:44:39 <+adamhill> dumdum: as admin you make groups
18:46:29 >> #worldwind JOIN CA0100TX (n=55bbb062@madmappers.freeearthfoundation.com)
18:46:42 < CA0100TX> hi
18:46:52 <+adamhill> look a robot!
18:46:53 < CA0100TX> can somebody help ,e 
18:47:03 < CA0100TX> help me*
18:47:19 * adamhill welcomes our robot overloards
18:47:38 <+dumdumhead> Bull_[UK]: do you see any "spaces" besides the demonstration one?
18:47:41 >> #worldwind JOIN mazop (n=mazop@dsl-67-216.utaonline.at)
18:47:52 < CA0100TX> PLZ HELP ME 
18:48:08 <+adamhill> state your problem
18:48:11 <+Bull_[UK]> ddh - nope
18:48:30 < CA0100TX> can i see streets and buildings trough world wind ?
18:48:41 <+dumdumhead> hm...i have like 3 other spaces i created...
18:48:49 <+Bull_[UK]> !blurry
18:48:49 < f0urtyfive> For blurry images check: http://www.worldwindcentral.com/wiki/World_Wind_FAQ#The_questions_we_get_every_day
18:48:50 <+dumdumhead> not sure how to make them visible
18:48:50 <+adamhill> ddh: i am not in houston or I would go look at my admin panel
18:49:11 <+adamhill> dumdum: there is a place to make Groups under Permissions
18:49:41 <+adamhill> lefthand side of the admin panel one of those links :)
18:49:44 < CA0100TX> plz tell me how to see buildings and streets
18:50:03 <+adamhill> CA0100TX: !faq
18:50:03 < f0urtyfive> Please do not ask questions until you've read the FAQ at http://www.worldwindcentral.com/wiki/World_Wind_FAQ
18:50:10 <+adamhill> and !blurry
18:50:11 < f0urtyfive> For blurry images check: http://www.worldwindcentral.com/wiki/World_Wind_FAQ#The_questions_we_get_every_day
18:50:34 <+adamhill> there is pretty much no hires data outside the US
18:52:48 < CA0100TX> is there any similar program to this
18:52:54 < CA0100TX> exept google earth 
18:53:31 <+dumdumhead> adamhill: i can figure out how to make a group, but it won't let me edit the permissions of the group
18:54:22 <+adamhill> hmmm I think you add the Space to the Group
18:54:52 <+adamhill> i had the same puzzlement and had to futz around a little, but I am SOL here in Dallas
18:55:29 >> azc is now known as azc|offline
18:56:30 < CA0100TX> IS THERE ANOTHER PROGRAM 
18:56:34 < CA0100TX> ?
18:56:54 < Selar> omg dude
18:56:57 <+dumdumhead> oo, think i found it
18:57:02 <+dumdumhead> they sure make it hard
18:57:04 <+dumdumhead> =\
18:57:05 < Selar> esri arcexplorer
18:57:26 < CA0100TX> IS THERE ANOTHER PROGRAM
18:57:28 < CA0100TX> IS THERE ANOTHER PROGRAMIS THERE ANOTHER PROGRAM
18:57:29 < CA0100TX> IS THERE ANOTHER PROGRAM
18:57:30 < CA0100TX> IS THERE ANOTHER PROGRAM
18:57:34 <+Bull_[UK]> ffs
18:57:44 <+Bull_[UK]> Nowak op me
18:57:48 < CA0100TX> so?
18:57:52 < Selar> http://geography2.blogspot.com/2005/11/listing-of-virtual-globes.html
18:58:10 < Selar> CA01: use a search engine and type in 'virtual globe'
18:58:27 < CA0100TX> k man 
18:58:36 <+Bull_[UK]> and be patient please
18:58:40 < CA0100TX> shoud i be able to see my city 
18:58:51 <+dumdumhead> Bull_[UK]: u *should* see a WWML space now
18:58:52 <+dumdumhead> =)
18:58:55 <+dumdumhead> (and be able to admin it)
18:58:57 < Selar> walk outside, ca01
18:59:48 <+Bull_[UK]> ddh - cool, its there :)
19:01:28 <+Bull_[UK]> so now all I can use to play stuff is vlc, until I fiddle with all my codec priorities again
19:01:52 < CA0100TX> FUCK YOU ALL FREAKS
19:01:59 < CA0100TX> FAGGOTS
19:02:27 >> SignOff: CA0100TX ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") [#worldwind]
19:02:33 <+dumdumhead> okay, should see spaces for both World Wind# and World Wind-Java
19:03:11 <+Bull_[UK]> ok he coms back I kill him
19:03:15 <+Bull_[UK]> :p
19:03:27 <+adamhill> ooh, my vista install just rebooted
19:03:41 <+Bull_[UK]> ddh - yup
19:04:01 <+Bull_[UK]> adam - you are brave
19:04:03 <+adamhill> dumdum: you said people have sucessfully extracted WWindow to embed in another app?
19:04:37 >> SignOff: dumdumhead ("CGI:IRC") [#worldwind]
19:04:45 >> #worldwind JOIN dumdumhead (n=8fe8ed02@madmappers.freeearthfoundation.com)
19:04:48 <+Bull_[UK]> lol
19:04:51 >> Mode #worldwind "+v dumdumhead" by ChanServ
19:04:51 <+dumdumhead> oops
19:04:54 <+dumdumhead> =)
19:05:15 <+adamhill> its a floor demo  Compaq V2000 with a Turion64, so I am not going to be put out if it doesnt work
19:05:22 <+dumdumhead> yup, HP has embedded world wind into a digital camera management suite (like photo gallery stuff)
19:05:30 <+adamhill> ?????
19:05:35 <+adamhill> which one?
19:05:42 <+dumdumhead> "Virgil"
19:05:44 <+dumdumhead> something like that
19:05:52 <+adamhill> is it a commercial product yet?
19:05:53 <+dumdumhead> they were running into problems with the NOSA though
19:06:05 <+dumdumhead> it's the "government idemnification clause"
19:06:18 <+adamhill> haha
19:06:23 <+dumdumhead> but there are other companies (smaller) that have done some interesting things
19:06:42 <+adamhill> I thought it was just specific to indemifiying NASA
19:06:53 <+dumdumhead> i dunno the details
19:07:09 <+dumdumhead> but, there was some good "dialog" between HP and NASA attorneys
19:07:16 <+dumdumhead> not sure how that got sorted out (or if it did)
19:07:25 <+adamhill> cool, i will see if it is easy to embed in a Vista app :) see what overlaying controls does to the framerate
19:16:59 <+dumdumhead> hopefully i don't break worldwind.arc.nasa.gov while i install confluence and jira on that server
19:17:29 <+dumdumhead> since worldwind.arc.nasa.gov uses IIS, and I have to make Tomcat play nice with IIS for jira and confluence
19:17:43 <+dumdumhead> (which is what worldwind21 is doing right now)
19:19:17 >> azc|offline is now known as azc
19:26:53 <+adamhill> dumdum: you could run on a different port and run it on Apache, Apache + Tomcat is about 2000x times easier than IIS
19:37:06 * f0urtyfive wonders how you embed ww into digital cameras...
19:37:12 < f0urtyfive> or digital camera management suits
19:37:24 < f0urtyfive> unless maybe you had a digicam with an embedded gps
19:37:26 < f0urtyfive> that'd be nifty
19:37:40 <+adamhill> havent you seen the Kodak DC260 Mame port? :)
19:38:19 <+adamhill> play digdug while waitng for people to pose
19:43:12 <+Bull_[UK]> cool
19:43:38 >> #worldwind JOIN T_Servo_III (n=chatzill@205.208.132.167)
19:43:38 >> T_Servo_III is now known as T_Servo
19:44:37 <+Bull_[UK]> is lost the reckoning the latest episode or just a dumb catchup thing?
19:48:13 < Pangloss> ready for secondary fallout?
19:48:13 < Pangloss> in my mailbox:
19:48:13 < Pangloss> Date:	 Sun, 30 Apr 2006 22:37:58 +0300
19:48:13 < Pangloss> To:	"Pangloss"
19:48:13 < Pangloss> From:	"Patrick.Hogan" <Patrick.Hogan@nasa.gov>
19:48:14 < Pangloss> Subject:	Re: write to me!
19:48:16 < Pangloss> Attachment:	your_documents.zip (19k)
19:48:18 < Pangloss> also ~30 others
19:48:31 < f0urtyfive> hehe
19:48:32 < f0urtyfive> Fun
19:48:37 < f0urtyfive> Check the headers
19:48:47 < f0urtyfive> I've gotten stuff like that that was faked from randy before
19:49:00 < Pangloss> anyone else getting crap in the last week?
19:49:12 <+Bull_[UK]> not me
19:49:42 <+Bull_[UK]> Patrick.Hogan@nasa.gov - wrong address isnt it?
19:49:53 < f0urtyfive> no thats the right address
19:50:06 < Pangloss> it's yahoo mail, i'm not sure how to check the headers
19:50:33 < f0urtyfive> o
19:50:35 < f0urtyfive> thats a pain
19:51:04 < Pangloss> never had any spam with this email addy before
19:51:21 * TheBean runs Apache+Tomcat very well
19:51:54 <+Bull_[UK]> hmm yeah its right guess he doesnt get a crappy .arc.nasa address
19:52:06 <+Bull_[UK]> beanie :)
19:52:43 < Pangloss> whether or not the address is real, it's real enough looking to fool people
19:52:46 >> SignOff: T_Servo_II (Connection timed out) [#worldwind]
19:52:47 < TheBean> hey hey
19:53:28 <+Bull_[UK]> forum skin = ugly, needs some pretty globes
19:56:55 < TheBean> <Bull_[UK]> can we pretty up the forums please --- you bet, the admincp skin is killing my eyes
19:57:04 < TheBean> I want to wait for the db import first though, incase it buggers anything up
19:57:12 <+Bull_[UK]> yeah
19:58:46 < TheBean> pretty simple to change the basic forum colours
19:58:56 < TheBean> just then need all the new graphics, ie the buttons
20:01:46 <+Bull_[UK]> cool, we need a nice wwc logo, like FEF's
20:02:26 <+Bull_[UK]> maybe wwc logo top left FEF top right
20:02:44 <+Bull_[UK]> as its on the fef server
20:02:55 >> #worldwind JOIN T_Servo_III (n=chatzill@205.208.132.167)
20:03:09 < TheBean> yeah, I was thinking of that
20:03:19 < TheBean> style the forums like wwc
20:03:25 <+Bull_[UK]> yup
20:04:22 <+Bull_[UK]> <3 demonoid
20:16:28 >> nosilleg_away is now known as nosilleg
20:19:12 < TheBean> Huh...on the Dell system builder...
20:19:15 < TheBean> one of the options...
20:19:22 < TheBean> Promotion - Money Off Savings
20:19:29 < TheBean> 		
20:19:29 < TheBean> Save £100 inc VAT  [Included in Price] 
20:19:31 < TheBean> or...
20:19:36 < TheBean> Not included [add £100.02 or £3/month1]
20:19:39 < TheBean> er......
20:19:43 < TheBean> I wonder....
20:21:53 >> SignOff: T_Servo (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) [#worldwind]
20:22:04 <+Bull_[UK]> lol
20:27:10 <+nosilleg> Bull_[UK]: re:Lost. Catchup episode.
20:27:42 <+Bull_[UK]> bah ok
20:33:19 <+Bull_[UK]> 9 members on the forums already
20:33:26 <+Bull_[UK]> :)
20:34:58 >> #worldwind JOIN spatial (n=cf514ffe@madmappers.freeearthfoundation.com)
20:35:19 <+nosilleg> Bull_[UK]: Are the members being brought over?
20:35:26 <+nosilleg> Or should I sign up ow?
20:35:30 <+nosilleg> now
20:36:49 <+Bull_[UK]> may as well sign up, you will have to re register anyway, nasa cant give out emails/passwords
20:38:02 <+Bull_[UK]> there will be some mass email thing at some point explaining to old members what to do
20:38:40 <+Bull_[UK]> nos - have you got an analytics account?
20:38:48 <+nosilleg> Bull_[UK]: Nope.
20:39:00 <+nosilleg> Bull_[UK]: Can we use the wiki un/pw db?
20:39:44 <+Bull_[UK]> hmm not sure, bean is setting it all up
20:39:59 <+nosilleg> TheBean: wiki wiki wiki
20:40:57 < nelson> wacky wacky wacky
20:42:20 >> SignOff: dumdumhead ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") [#worldwind]
20:42:38 <+Bull_[UK]> nelson are you home yet? or still in central europe?
20:45:17 <+Bull_[UK]> accept file 'balls.rar' from shockfire
20:45:22 <+Bull_[UK]> hm....
20:45:43 < ShockFire> I actually considered naming it myballs.rar :D
20:45:55 <+Bull_[UK]> hehe
20:46:53 <+nosilleg> Forums aren't allowing profile images to be uploaded.  Results in file access error.
20:52:04 >> SignOff: spatial ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") [#worldwind]
21:02:39 >> #worldwind PART mazop (n=mazop@dsl-67-216.utaonline.at) ()
21:27:55 < f0urtyfive> lol @ ShockFire
21:28:01 < f0urtyfive> what are you guys sending back and forth :P
21:28:21 < ShockFire> top secret... balls
21:29:45 <+Bull_[UK]> ;)
21:30:34 < Sqr> u mean something like http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bild:Teamgeist_Ball_World_Cup_2006.jpg ? :)
21:32:57 < f0urtyfive> lol
21:34:28 < f0urtyfive> a
21:35:05 < Sqr> but the classical http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Truncated_icosahedron is much nicer, imho
21:38:04 < f0urtyfive> nosilleg: try making a profile pic now
21:40:21 < f0urtyfive> rofl
21:40:22 < f0urtyfive> http://www.servage.net/page/hosting_features/
21:40:31 < f0urtyfive> 75 GB and 600 GB monthly transfer for 7.50$ a month
21:40:44 < f0urtyfive> I want to buy an account just to screw em over
21:41:54 <+nosilleg> f0urtyfive: still not working
21:42:06 <+nosilleg> f0urtyfive: Upload failed due to failure writing temporary file.
21:42:08 < f0urtyfive> nosilleg: whats the error messg say
21:42:10 < f0urtyfive> hmmm
21:42:34 < f0urtyfive> bleh nowak will have to fix it then
21:42:46 < f0urtyfive> I dont want to screw around with /tmp and break somehting he put in
21:45:31 >> SignOff: Overand (Success) [#worldwind]
21:56:39 <+nosilleg> f0urtyfive: fair enough.
21:56:52 < f0urtyfive> ShockFire: "In no case should anyone be planning to mentor any student's project while participating in SoC as a student.
21:56:53 < f0urtyfive> "
21:57:05 < f0urtyfive> think that makes it pretty clear :P
21:59:56 <+nosilleg> Night guys.
22:00:05 < f0urtyfive> cya nossy
22:00:18 < TheBean> f0urty - turn safe mode off maybe
22:00:24 <+Bull_[UK]> l8r
22:00:29 < TheBean> biab
22:03:24 >> #worldwind PART nosilleg (n=nosilleg@host86-141-93-239.range86-141.btcentralplus.com) ()
22:08:55 >> azc is now known as azc|offline
22:15:25 >> #worldwind JOIN MaxNomad (n=46a12ec9@madmappers.freeearthfoundation.com)
22:18:30 < MaxNomad> Looking for WW forums aside from the one at NASA that's currently down... particularly to confirm the syntax of the movierecorder script. 
22:19:10 < MaxNomad> Need to confirm what the first digit on each line represents... keyframe?
22:20:26 < MaxNomad> I'd read something about it in the WW forum the other day but it's down now
22:20:56 < MaxNomad> Not in the knowledgebase nor at the plug-in author's site
22:26:25 >> SignOff: MaxNomad ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") [#worldwind]
22:26:39 < Sqr> worldwind forum "movie recorder" <- put those into google and then choose 'cached'
22:26:49 < Sqr> late
22:39:57 >> #worldwind JOIN T_Servo_II (n=chatzill@205.208.133.23)
22:39:59 >> T_Servo_II is now known as T_Servo
22:43:50 >> #worldwind JOIN MaxNomad (n=46a12ec9@madmappers.freeearthfoundation.com)
22:45:29 >> SignOff: T_Servo_III (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) [#worldwind]
22:53:20 < ShockFire> f0urtyfive: yes, 'be planning to' and I'm not planning to so that's fine :)
22:53:34 >> #worldwind JOIN spacechicken (n=chatzill@074.028.dsl.syd.iprimus.net.au)
22:53:36 < spacechicken> morning all
22:53:44 < ShockFire> hey chicken
22:53:51 < T_Servo> lo chicken
22:54:17 < spacechicken> what's happening?
22:54:36 < T_Servo> don;t know.. I just came back
23:06:17 >> SignOff: www2 () [#worldwind]
23:36:40 < spacechicken> Is f0urtyfive the only one who has been dealing with the guy in Western Australia?
23:51:19 <+Bull_[UK]> think so
23:52:08 >> #worldwind JOIN Overand (i=overand@static-68-236-156-220.alb.east.verizon.net)
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